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again. >> schieffer: we'll talk about all of it with senator john mccain, a senior republican on the armed services committee stanley mcchrystal, the former commander of our troops in afghanistan. wells virginia's democratic senator joe manchin and loss an list mayoran -- los angeles marion antonio villaraigosa and amy walter and our own john dickerson. this is face the nation. captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: and good morning even again and we're going to begin with the senior republican, senator john mccain. senator thanks for being with us this morning. well the president made it pretty clear on friday, we're leaving afghanistan and perhaps sooner than some expected, and every report you hear from behind the scenes is we're going to keep very very few people there. what do you make of this, what's your take on all this? >> it's a one of a series of decisions the president has made basically irrelevanting his military advisors so whether it be in iraq which is now unraveling very significantly or wh
. there was this comment about chuck hagel's war. figuring out what john mccain is saying. military readiness and military action. stop taking advice from these guys and start looking at people -- as opposed to these couch talkers. host: thank you. can we look at this relationship between chuck hagel and john mccain? both veterans from the vietnam war, and they were friends, and the question became whether or not john mccain would support him. guest: i think there was a natural affinity between them due to their service in vietnam, and i know senator mccain -- i do not know senator hagel personally, but i do know john mccain, and he reaches out across the aisle, so he is a very personable person, but i do think over time, the differences of the senators about iraq and afghanistan and other issues and also questions about who senator hagel was going to support, who he supported in 2008, all of this leads to something. that they are no longer best buddies does not surprise anyone, because at the end of the day, washington is about politics, and people have diametrically opposed opinions about these key secu
. here's a guy four years ago john mccain was saying chuck hagel would make a great secretary of state. bill crystal was saying eight years ago chuck hagel should be vice president of the united states. if ronald reagan or george bush or mitt romney nominated chuck hagel, they would be saying he's a republican! he's a conservative. he's a war hero! he's one of ours but barack obama nominates him and right away, they're trying to bring him down. >> i found it amazing that, of all the people to come out and say they had reservations and concerns about chuck hagel, john mccain was leading that argument. i can almost understand some of the guys who have just -- are not -- haven't been in the congress or haven't been in the senate that long but john mccain's been here long enough. he knows better. >> bill: if anybody is a blood brother to chuck hagel, it's john mccain. but there's a total smear campaign. two issues. let's deal with them quickly. one, they say he's anti-israel. baloney! you look at his votes. that's what counts. he voted for billions of billions of dollars of military aid to
. i helped host one of the meetings were lindsey graham and john mccain made very clear their views on susan rice. the moderator cut the president's response and have those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected a lot of the attention from this hagel nomination. now other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some quarters, and john kerry are getting less attention. i would like to comment on the gay rights. i was the only journalist who happened to have written about chuck hagel's views on gay issues years ago because i had conversations with him about my own views that at the time we were still pursuing translators working in intelligence agencies and the defense department and trying to purge them from military service. i had a discussion with him about that and about and don't ask, don't tell. they were attempting to sort out how you would sort through. hagel made clear his support for repealing don't ask, don't tell. i want to be clear that he is saying, and i don't think it is just a move that he has apologized to hormel, and hormel a
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't like the guy. i didn't. a lot of people didn't like the guy. i understand why john mccain wouldn't like a republican senator that endorsed a democrat. i understand. he doesn't play well with others in the sandbox. he certainly didn't when he was in the senate. i got to know him, though, through the years, and we got to know him. we like him. we respect him. he said some things about israel that caused me concerns. >> yeah. >> but he's going to be the president's secretary of defense. and i just wonder, what's better for democrats politically? if barack obama gets his republican secretary of defense or if republicans who, after deep sixing an african-american woman for secretary of state, now turn and savage one of their own? what's better for barack obama? because i personally think that republicans killing hagel's nomination is the best political thing that could ever happen to democrats. because it makes republicans just look obstructionist. >> well, i'll dial that back a couple points on the meter. the president losing a nomination fight would be bad for him and there would be costs
, and afghanistan when he was only the candidate obama and going up against john mccain, which could foretell what we may hear from john mccain. we haven't heard really very much from him about chuck hagel in this context. we have certainly heard from lindsey graham, and we'll hear from john cornyn coming up on this program who has been fiercely critical. >> i would say andrea two people to watch. you've got one. mccain absolutely because he was someone that was close to chuck hagel. kind of the reform-minded republicans. they clearly broke, parted ways on iraq. i do think that chuck hagel, politics does always matter. i think the fact that chuck hagel full throatedly endorsed bob kerry in nebraska in 2012 will not sit well with other republicans. i think the other senator we need to watch, which this is chuck schumer, the new york democrat, very powerful form heard of the senatorial campaign committee, you know, widely seen as probably the next leader of the democrats and the senate. who was skeptical about the idea of a hagel pick, in part, because of his past statements on israel. schumer, i as
" will bring john mccain and john manchin of west -- west virginia. also, stanley, crystal. -- retired general stanley crystal. finally at 4:00 eastern, "face the nation" from cbs. you can listen to the mall and c-span rio, on a 90.1 fm in the washington, d.c. rate -- washington, d.c. area. you can also listen on your smartphone or go online to c- span.org teo .org -- cspanradio.org. >> hopkins could read the president's new unlike anybody else. he came as close as anyone to be in evidence in to what robert sherwood would call roosevelts heavily forested interior. heavily forested interior. he went to be still in the presence of the president. went to press him. when to back off and to the joke. after he local election, wendell willkie was in his office, and they remained friends, and like you said to the president, why do you keep that man so close to you, that man being hopkins. roosevelt said, you may be in this office and they, you will understand, but he asks for nothing except to serve me. >> trusted adviser and friend to fdr, harry hopkins lived in -- in the result white house for 3 1/2
their nomination for the process and we will wait to see if that is enough. host: we heard from senator john mccain. what did he have to say? guest: he is being cautious. he is concerned with some of the things that chuck hagel has said and done, especially regarding the israeli-iraq issues but he is not committing to opposing the nomination. john mccain had previously said that chuck hagel is a close personal friend, they are both vietnam veterans and served together in the senate and they do know each other and there is a level of camaraderie and respect. i don't think john mccain and knows what he will do. i think the hearings for chuck hagel and the vetting process in congress and the media will have a big impact on the final results. host: we are asking our viewers this morning to tell us what they think are the foreign policy challenges in 2013. if chuck hagel were to get that spot, what does he face? guest: he will face a range of foreign policy challenges. it is almost unprecedented -- we are talking about a military that is tired and worn out after 10 years of war, facing fiscal challenges
their backs on one of their own. senator lindsey graham says he's out of the mainstream. john mccain says he has serious concerns about hagel's views on national kurt. and senate minority leader promises hagel a lot of tough questions. many of these same -- now, the propgsing a big fight to oppose his nomination. but, in the end, will the president get his man? joining me now is retired general wesley, former nato commander now chairman and ceo of wesley clark and associates. and former pennsylvania governor, ed rendell now an nbc news analyst. doesn't the president get to pick his own team? or has something changed? >> absolutely he's going to pick his own chief. the right wing is lining up to fight him and there may be some votes against him. i think when chuck hagel gets on the hill and he talks to senators one-on-one and gets in groups and they have to face one of their own former colleagues, a man who's got experience, sound judgment, compassion, everything needed to be a great secretary and member of the president's candidate. >> but, general, i mean, why are we seeing this lack of ac
get into it, the one who made the most headlines on this, not john mccain. the idea that every sunday talk show feels that they have to book john mccain every sunday is -- i am so sick of it. common. you know he will say something crazy but he is crazy. why keep booking him. >> for sure. >> so didn't make any news yesterday. the one who did was colin powell. first of all, who former secretary of state, former chairman of the joint chiefs who said that -- he came out very, very strongly in defense of senator haggel. >> people say that doesn't necessarily make him a good candidate for secretary of defense. i will tell you who thinks that makes him a good candidate for secretary of defense, the men and women in the armed forces of the united states and their parents. >> meaning, of course he will be the first enlisted man to serve as secretary of defense. and one of the few wounded in wartime and in combat to the serve as secretary of defense. then where colin powell really made news was when he we want on to say, this whole battle over chuck ha
an easy confirmation. here is the reaction today from senator john mccain, a one-time political ally who once considered hagel as a running mate. i have serious concerns about the positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical issues in recent years which we will fully consider in the course of the confirmation process. he's talking about iran, his willingness to consider cuts to the budget, and perhaps his pro -pro pro-israel support. >> i'm a united states senator, not an israeli senator, but my first interest, i take an oath of office to the constitution. >> lindsey graham said his former colleague would, quote, be the most antagonistic secretary of defense toward israel in the nation's history. mr. hagel hotly disputes that, he has many defenders including those in the jewish community. hagel has apologized for the tone of his opposition in 1998 to an openly gay ambassadorial candidate. he called him openly, aggressively gay, and nowinsens. joining me now are margaret and peter. margaret, full disclosure, you helped start a group which is now opposed to senator hagel's nomi
an easy confirmation. here is the reaction today from senator john mccain, a former vet, former colleague and a one-time political ally who once considered hagel as a running mate. quote. i have serious concerns about the positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical issues in recent years which we will fully consider in the course of his confirmation process. he's talking about his skepticism about military action against iran, his willingness to consider cuts to the defense budget and most explosive perhaps past statements on the pro-israel lobby. >> i'm a united states senator, not an israeli senator, i'm a united states senator. i support israel, but my first interest is, i take an oath of office to the constitution of the united states, not to a president, not to a party, not to israel. >> another republican senator lindsey graham said his former colleague would, quote, be the most antagonistic secretary of defense towards israel in our nation's history. mr. hagel hotly disputes that, he has many defenders including those in the jewish community. the defense establishment
to get the nomination through the process. host: we heard from senator john mccain. he put out a statement right away. tell us about that. guest: senator mccain is being cautious. he is concerned with some of the things he has done and said, especially concerning israel. he has previously called him a close personal friend. he is a vietnam veteran. they served together in the senate. they do know each other. there is a level of comedy and respect between senators. -- i do not think that john mccain knows what he is going to do. i think the hearings in congress and in the media will lead an impact on the final results. host: we are asking our viewers to tell us what they think are the foreign-policy challenges in 2013. what does he face if he were to get the nomination? guest: he will have a range of foreign-policy challenges. we are talking about a military that is tired and worn out after more than 10 years of war. a state of fiscal challenges and austerity that is really unprecedented in american politics, which is put pressures on all of the budgets that he would have to be
're in the mainstream. because they've left. in 2006, john mccain was talking about chuck hagel as his secretary of state and now he's someone who he thinks is disqualified. from a big picture, the republicans have moved the neocons have such a hold on that party and i don't think that's mainstream thinking in america. >> do you think there is an element of political payback here? >> sure, listen, some of this is situation normal in washington, whether you're a democrat or republican, always trying to take the president down a peg if you're in the opposition. some of this to be expected and some is valuable. as jonathan was saying, these should be -- these are questions that should be requestasked of hague el, he ought to square his personal position with how he served the president and mostly in the hearings it's political theater and my guess at the end of it is chuck hagel welcome the secretary of defense and congress will go from a 6% approval to maybe to about a 4% approval. >> we're looking at both style and substance as we always are in these situations and obviously the next defense secr
roles off and on since the 1980s and was a campaign for john mccain in his failed bid for the presidency. wolf? >> lisa, thank you very much. we'll be anxious to see what the task force comes up with, what the president says in the state of the union address before congress. thank you. lisa, thank you very much for that report. >>> the obama administration may be stepping up its push for some form of new gun control legislation. but will the president be able to rally the support of congress? most importantly, the american public at the same time? we'll dig deeper with our chief political analyst gloria borger. here's what the president recently said on "meet the press." i'll play the clip. >> we're not going to get this done unless the american people decide it's important. and so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital. one of the things that you learn, having now been in this office for four years, is the old adage of public opinion. without public opinion there's not something you can't do and wut it there's very little you can't get done in this town
the war in and iraq in and refused to it endorse john mccain in 2008. he stressed independence from the jewish lobby. critics biggest concern is whether he is tough enough on iran. >> secretary panetta, the current secretary of defense said there is a red line there over which we will not allow iran to cross. the president had different times has said the same thing. chuck hagel has said previously that he doesn't believe that we ought to keep all options on the table when it comes to an iranian nuclear threat. >> the white house says hagel has been strongly supportive of israel's security. they say his views are insync with the president. as you alluded hagel apologized for calling a u.s. dip openly aggressively gay 14 years ago. shepard? >> shepard: much less opposition to john brennan's nomination, correct? >> there do seem to be fewer concerns but that doesn't mean less concerns. 25 years at the cia before becoming the president's counter terrorism advisor. he was considered for the cia post in 2008 but withdrew his name because he didn't want the confirmation hearings to focus
with republicans. >> who does john mccain like today besides lindsey? anybody else? >> i don't think so. >> he doesn't like chuck hagel. >> let me disagree with something. this is not a change in policy. the president came in saying he would end the iraq war and the afghan war. he would get rid of the iraq war and take the afghanistan war and slow it down, basically downsize it. that's what he's been doing for the last four years despite the neocons screaming about it all the way. chuck hagel is a continuation on that. when he had to, he stared down petraeus. [ overlapping speakers ] >> you guys have john boldin after saying this is clinton with somehow faking her concussion. >> i didn't say that. the president can have who he wants. i like chuck hagel. if he gets it, i'm fine with it. >> suppose your guy won the race the guy you thought would win. and he put boldin in, the strange mustache guy. would they have put him in there? >> i don't think romney would have put bolton in. >> let's talk about the fiscal cliff. that's behind us. that turkey's behind us. >> we got others. >> we have lived t
expect a drilling from lawmakers. fellow republican senator john mccain said that hagel stand against the surge in iraq was wrong. >>> the community of newtown connecticut is trying to decide what to do with the scene of that devastating shooting massacre. for now students from sandy hook elementary school are going to a different school. some want sandy hook demolished and a memorial built on the property to honor the students and teachers killed. but others want schools reopened. >> my best memories were at sandy hook. i think children in the future expect to experience the same beautiful memories i did. >> i don't want to see the land and the building stay empty and broken. i want to do something with it. >> tomorrow newtown will hold a town hall meeting about how to prevent gun violence. >> software entrepreneur john mcafee who was the focus of a man hunt has apparently found a new home in portland oregon. mcafee told a local paper he is working on a graphic novel about his life. he plans to talk about the curse of money and living with four or five women is better than living wit
would mention john mccain in that category of disagreements they've had in the past, but also to hold the president's feet to the fire on other things they want to have more on the table. gwen: i have a hard time imagining senator schumer, a leading democrat, in the end -- he may hold out his support but in the end, not supporting the president's choice. >> no, and hagel's going to say what schumer wants to hear about support for israel. there's no question about that. gwen: already has. >> and he's calling senate ofss saying he's a strong supporter of israel but on the point of, if he's going to not get confirmed, i would find that shocking because the president will line up behind the -- democrats will line up behind the president's choice. >> two purple hearts. gwen: john brennan has to be confirmed and he's been the architect, for many democrats, a far more troubling policy of targeting killings and drones. >> the drone policy, right. i would imagine that his confirmation hearing, as they should be, a full discussion about what the president's policies are going forward and are.hi
is forgetting about that. i happen to be a gay american. he always picks a radical people. john mccain is a war hero. everybody can say whatever they want about chuck hagel but he's awful for the job and i hope he does not get confirmed. c-span is to answer republicans when they call. host: we are trying to take a number of calls. we have all three lines open. you can see the numbers on your screen. we will try again to get alton on the independent line. let's go on and to carl in chicago, a democrat line. caller: i have done research on both of the gentlemen. hagel been a republican, i think the president is doing what he is doing, reaching across both sides of the aisle. it seems the opposition to chuck hagel it is the same group of naysayers like senator gramm and the rest of them that are immediately passing them before they have a chance. john brennan would make an excellent cia director. he has the credentials. he has the strength. even though chuck hagel's role is going to be a bumpy one, i believe it will be confirmed with this 113 congress. the president is appointing a republican to t
. >> what would it be like if you and john mccain ended up running for president on the republican ticket at the same time? >> i don't know. john mccain is a verylose friend of mine. there's no one i admire more than john mccain. we think alike on many things. we are different too. i disagree with john. john disgrease with me on issues. but how all this plays out over the next two years, i don't know. but regardless of how it plays out he will always be a good friend and i will always be a great admirer of his and i'm grateful for his service to our country. >> can you see yourself running, if he runs, will that impede you from running if he says i'm going again? >> well, brian, i think in this business, or any major decision one makes in your life, that decision has to come from you first. it's got toome from you, the considerations, or your family or other personal issues. then you start working through the more external conditions. you know in this business that if you run for president there will be many very qualified candidates out there, some will be good friends, i suspect. you kn
boarding. he privately told mr. obama he opposed. >> john mccain still has questions about what role brennan played in enhanced interrogation and why he publicly seemed to support it and he intends to ask those questions. mccain a long time critic of water boarding. >> bret: thank you. the president's pick to run the c.i.a. spent 25 years there. katherine tells us john brennan may face a contentious battle. >> to his controversial statements that the c.i.a. interrogation program brennan himself acknowledged. >> i told the presidential today i'm the president's assistant on counterterrorism. i told him that i will do better and we will do better as a time teem. >> they accuse the obama administration of negligence the underwear bomber was read his miranda rights and lawyered up hours after. they say intelligence was lost for good. we need no lecture. writing quote, politically motivated criticism only serves the goals of al-qaeda, the notion that america's system of justice are unable to handle these murderous... >> he was describing water boarding as inconsistent with american values
is going to have an easier fight. but there are questions about it. i mean, john mccain who was tortured himself when he was a p.o.w., has raised real questions about brennan's role in the bush administration supporting enhanced interrogation. today, he put out a statement saying he wanted to know, quote, what role he played in the so-called enhanced interrogation progras while serving at the cia during the last administration. i would also point out, wolf, that john mccain is on the same side as the liberal civil rights group the aclu in this. they are raising the same kinds of questions. even though in the past, brennan has said that he opposes these enhanced interrogation techniques. >> we'll watch these confirmation hearings every step of the way. >> should be interesting, both of them. >> low flying helicopters have people in some of the country's biggest cities asking questions. the answers have to do with preparations for a possible terrorist attack. using radioactive dirty bombs. >>> plus, before we get to that, we have some new details emerging about the colorado theater shootin
with john mccain. and colin powell did not embrace john mccain. the party did not move away from him. he moved away from the party. he chose president obama over the most moderate republican since, i don't know, what, eisenhower? nixon? >> didn't john mccain give us sarah palin? the same person we're just talking about a couple of minutes ago. wasn't john mccain the one whose ticket included an individual who was part of the courtship of those racist voters i was just talking about earlier? so, no, he won't accept that because he saw during the campaign rallies individuals that were holding up signs that said kill then senator obama. why would you embrace someone who doesn't come out against that action? >> quickly on that last note. carol, here's the deal. i am always, and republicans are always forced to defend the worst elements that exist in this country who label themselves under the brand of republican. are there racists within the republican party? yes. are there racists within the democratic party? emphatically, yes. are there anti-semites within the democratic party? yes. we don
john mccain introducing it and he wasn't trusted by the hispanic community. they didn't look at him as being authentic. i think cube yeo can make a difference this time and pairs with ted crews and obama could do himself a favor if he enlists the help of these border state governors. guys like rick perry, susan martinez and jan brewer and marco rubio, as well. one thing he is not doing in his proposal that he is probably going to unveil later this year, there is no mention of border security at all. >> arthel: okay, because that is going to veer off. you touched on something that i want to bring santita in on this. that president obama should reach out to some of the border governors like perry and regardless of party. what do you say about that? >> i said at the top of segment they come here legally. where are the borders really? of course, we're for the border governors they have an interest in protecting borders but we also have to look at our intake. if you have people that visit this country who just come here and stay and homeland security can't track them, come on, what is go
and john mccain may be one of them. >> really? >> joe made that point yesterday. there's some people in washington who personally don't like chuck hagel. they may actually like him personally but he rubbed some people the wrong way in the course of doing politics in d.c. what do you think is going on here with someone like senator mccain says one thing six years ago and another thing today. people like lindsey graham bring up the word "israel" an awful lot. what's at the core of the opposition? >> i think some of those substantive issues do concern him? . john and joe are right. chuck hagel has distanced himself from the republican party in a real and significant way. he essentially voiced support in 2008 for then senator obama's campaign for the presidency. traveled with him offer seas and really worked to squash concerns raised by mccain at the time and some of the fringe of the republican party barack obama was unfit, unqualified and maybe not even an american. this confirmation hearing will be important. it's obvious even some democrats want to hear answers from senator hagel on
mccain ran for president at the same time? >> john mccain is a very close friend of mine. there is no one i admire more than john mccain. we think alike on many things. we are different too. we disagree on issues. but how all of this plays out over the next two years, i don't know. but regardless of how it plays out, we will always be a good friend and i will always be a great admirer of him and i am grateful for his service to our country. >> if he runs will that impede you from running? >> i think in this business any decision one makes in life, that decision has to come from you first. it's got to come from you t considerations are your family, are other personal issues. then you start working through the more external conditions. you know in this business that if you run for president, there will be many very qualified candidates out there. some will be good friends i suspect. you know that and you factor that in. and you're not unmindful of that kind of competition. and that kind of competition is good for the country, it's good for our system. we want the best people in this busine
the quote with john mccain and you know, mitch mcconnell back -- literally -- you know, when it is something obama wants they're against it. >> oh, yeah. if for whatever odd reason, bush nominated hagel to be secretary of defense whatever, he would have gotten every republican vote. i'm assured of that. but obama nominates him and you know, here we have the republican party which is going to use up its few remaining resources to oppose -- >> stephanie: a republican -- >> republican vietnam vet from nebraska to be secretary of defense. we're in bizarro world at this point. >> stephanie: here's john mccain in 2006, i would be honored to have chuck with me in any capacity. he would make a great secretary of state. wow. it is incredible. >> it is amazing. the other thing that kind of bothers me is right so the press has been knocking obama you know. why hasn't he changed the tone of washington. why hasn't he single-handedly ended partisan gridlock? you know, now he goes out of his way to make what i think is probably the most high-profile, across the aisle nominee in modern american history mayb
now has criticized the iraq war. he's criticized virtually every view john mccain has had about foreign policy. and john mccain's a leading figure in the republican party on foreign policy. so it's not surprising to me. what you have to see is how well the white house defends this pick. right now this is a pick that doesn't have a lot of friends on either side of the party. ultimately democrats are going to listen to what barack obama says about his own cabinet. another thing important to mention here is like matt was saying a bit is, take the john brennan pick. the john kerry pick. obama's trying to surround himself with people he really is friends with and likes. the first term was people like hillary clinton, jim jones, bob gates. they're big names. those aren't necessarily obama allies. brennan, hagel, kerry, susan rice, these are really people obama knows and is close to. that's what he's trying to build for his second term. >> i want to bring in congressman adam schiff, democrat from california. always good to see you, congressman, good morning. >> thank you. good morning.
following john mccain's lead on most things. >> it's worse that we don't know where john mccain is on this. >> he has been such a follower on so many issues so far that i -- him saying that, you know, this is a guy who is running the atlantic council and that's out of the mainstream. i think there's a little -- a credibility check. the challenge, i think, for the administration is going to be that this nomination means they're going to have to do work on both the democratic and the republican side, and, you know, usually when you are a democratic president, it's who are the key men who have worked on these nominations. who are the key republican senators? we're going to have to go and see, and in this case they're going to have to do real work on both sides. the other thing that was surprising was they let this nomination hang out there so long to the point that these narratives started -- about the jewish lobby and the gay community and sort of, you know, the republicans. i mean, it's been hanging out there for several weeks, so that also means they're going to have to do a lot of work to
found the house in about a block and then we found osama bin laden. host: senator john mccain said he wants to take a closer look at the interrogation policies of the bush administration and john brennan's involvement in that. guest: i applaud with john mccain said about interrogation. he has been saying for ever that torture does not work and he should know. he was in the hanoi hilton for so long and tortured by north vietnam during the war. he is right, in my view. i did serve on the intelligence committee for eight years. i was there in the 1990's and came back and was a ranking member. i think we should look at interrogation policies and look at detention policies and we should look at drone policies. before this nomination, john brennan asked to come to the wilson center which i now head, he asked to comment talk about the legal framework around drone policy. it should not be our foreign policy. it is a tool but many of our tools should be developed through prom -- diplomacy and soft power and john brennan understands this. one thing i hope he will do after he is confirmed, and i
from moody's, a former john mccain advisor and create jobs and a republican like mark zandi was shut down. >> jamie: does that make sense? julie, take a step back, let's be bipartisan. does that make sense, why would republicans stand in the way. >> thank you. >> jamie: why would anybody stand in the the way of putting the american public back to work, puts more money back in the economy. >> why would the republicans threaten to default our government from the debt obligations, why would the republicans do that. >> because, it's because-- >> their right wing and they don't want the president-- listen, you had mitch mcconnell the senate leader essentially saying that his role was to make sure that president obama was a one-term president. >> and now-- >> julie, washington d.c. has a spending problem. we just cannot continue to give washington d.c. a blank check and the bottom line is this: when nancy pelosi was in control, when democrats were in control of the house and senate, the president got all of his policies through. and it's like deja vu, groundhog's date all over again and we
that i think john mccain and others have carried is that if we draw down forces in afghanistan, we reduce our leverage with pakistan. i completely disagree. the more your forces are drawn down in afghanistan, the more leverage you actually have to shape the choices pakistan may make, but we're not going to dominate pakistan. it's going to be a constant relationship that's up and down, part seduction and just doing battle with one another, and pakistan's survivability as a nation is going to, in part, be dependent on itsibility to shape where the taliban goes because, of course, its internal issue is that the afghan taliban began to actually seed and grow in insurgency inside pakistan that they had to deal with, and i think that's fundamental. the troops on the ground don't necessarily help us solve that problem. other issues, money and other elements of state, will help us influence pakistan. >> what do we know about conversations between the karzai regime and the taliban, the negotiations in france? >> well, president karzai during our interview said that they are currently still in nego
have happened between 2006 and today to change john mccain's mind. maybe it was hagel's opinion on sarah palin. hagel said "i think it's a stretch to say that she's got the experience to be president of the united states." he actually was one of the first republicans to come out and question that selection. certainly no republican should be questioning hagel's qualifications, unless you want to go back and look like a bunch of hypocrites. they weren't complaining about dick cheney's qualifications as defense secretary under bush 41, even though cheney had managed to get five deferments from serving in the vietnam war. chuck hagel served in the vietnam war in the same unit with his brother tom, as the president pointed out. how can republicans question hagel's qualifications? today senator hagel accepted president obama's nomination and immediately focused on the troops. >> these are people who give so much to this nation every day with such dignity and selflessness. this is particularly important at a time as we complete our mission in afghanistan and support the troops and mili
. >> we'll talk more about that in a second. i want to talk about john mccain. a lot of people were looking forward to exactly how he would come out and post on the issue of chuck hagel go to secretary of defense. i have serious concerns about positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues in recent years. that's his most recent statement. however, back when he was running for president, he was quote the as saying that he would make a great secretary of state if john mccain were to pick chuck hagel to appear in his cabinet. is that because now it's a reality that chuck hagel is up for the most aopposed to the imagery when he was running for president? >> we're getting to the point where it's a possibility and it could happen. they are looking at the toe talty of all of this. mccain has a great deal of respect for hagel and tremendous service in vietnam. that in and of itself doesn't qualify or disqualify him as the position of defense secretary. what people are looking at, particularly republicans, hagel prided himself on speaking outside the mains
, i never want to be put in that position again. >> what do you say to john mccain who survived five years of torture in the hanoi hilton and others who are very tough on defense but argue that it's really important for the protection of our troops that we not cross this line, that we have to be who we are because we are giving our enemies a weapon to use against our own if they're captured? >> right. let me be clear. one thing to agree 100% on with senator mccain is the notion that torture is wrong. torture is detrimental to our troops. but again, i was speaking personally about how intellectually and personally i understand the arguments and they're right but on a deep down emotional level, when confronted with the news that osama bin laden had been killed, when the nation was going through the conversation about what role did torture play in getting information that led to his capture and killing, and my thinking, being in this morally conflicted space of thinking, well, you know what? i really don't care what it -- what the government had to do to get to this point. but again, i
, which john mccain and several other prominent republicans were saying, absolutely not, i'm a no vote. you heard that mccain was agnostic on this. i don't think there's quite the same level of an mouse that republicans had toward rice. and my read of it right now is what hagel needs to do is kind of make almost what you would call an apology, go around to a bunch of members, clarify prior remarks that he's made, make clear his position on key issues like israel and iran. he's probably going to have to get a little closer to the president's public position and allay some concerns about some things he said which i think at times involved not very smart choice of words. i think that ought to do it. i think, you know, senator schumer probably doesn't want to be a no to bring down a presidential nominee at this point. i think schumer needs to demonstrate he asked some tough questions. i think hagel can get pass it it if he has some good meetings and he essentially swanlgs some concerns here. >> ken talked about that this morning that he thought schumer was the key as well. how much of this
of the really key figures in this nomination, john mccain of arizona, an old friend of chuck hagel released a statement saying, "i have serious concerns about positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues in recent years." there also appear to be reservations on the democratic side as well. members of that party are stopping short in some cases of offering hagel a full throated endorsement. some democrats have already backed them. senator chuck schumer of new york released a statement of his own reading in part, "chuck hagel has earned the right to nothing less than a full and fair process in the senate. i look forward to fully studying his report and exploring his views." at the white house yesterday, hagel didn't address the controversy shoundiurrounding h nomination. >> mr. president, i'm grateful for this opportunity to serve our country again. and especially its men and women in uniform and their families. these are people who give so much to this nation every day with such dignity and selflessness. i'll always do my best. i doll my best for our coun
of it is personal. a once close relationship with fellow vietnam veteran john mccain. they separated. part of it is policy. part of it is personal. if you do the math right now, he has a tougher hill than most nominees to climb. the president likes him. the president is comfortable with him. senator hagel will have to do a little diplomacy in the halls of the senate. he knows how that works. >> in the east room for this announcement. the president will nominate whom he hopes will be his next defense secretary and his next cia director. does he really have any chance of not being confirmed right now, gloria? >> well, i think it's going to be a long battle, and i think it could be a tough battle for him. >> very hard for democrats to go against the president's nominee. >> well, it will. but i was told today by a senior democratic congressional aide that there are at least ten democrats right now who he said are either undecided or concerned about chuck hagel. now that tonight mean they are no votes, wolf. but it means they will be called upon to answer an awful -- he will be called upon to a
, will john mccain in the end vote "aye for his old friend and will democrats bail because of his questions about support for israel? >> well, and also that he's a republican. john, that brings me to you. it is not the first time we had cross-party secretaries. in fact, it happens all the time especially in defense, too. but why in particular do you think the president wants this particular man as his sec def? this particular republican. >> comfort zone. less worried about the politics and want someone with whom you're personally comfortable with. you mentioned it's not terribly unusual. become had a republican at the defense department. barack obama kept bob gates, president bush's defense secretary for continuity there because of iraq and afghanistan. now he's in the second term. he's less worried about the politics. he's prepared to have a fight, a fight not only with republicans but with some democrats. a bit of a controversy. we thought on the susan rice nomination for secretary of state. he pulled the name back. the president signaling i want my team. i want my guys and willing to tak
" yesterday and the white house see some opposition of graham an potentially john mccain as being sort of a grudge for chuck hagel's turning against the iraq war in the second term of the bush administration. hagel supported the war and then soured on it as the years went on as a lot of americans did and i just want to share with you, carol, comments i got from this administration official talking about graham. it's one thing to posture on a talk show. it's another thing to look a two-term senator in the eye and say i'm voting against you because you turned against the war in iraq. this official also described the nomination of hagel as a vote where a president gets his guy so they don't see this nomination as being so controversial, so white hot and provocative that the president doesn't get a -- get his person confirmed by the senate. obviously, there have been nominees to secretary of defense in the past who did become major problems like john tower with personal issues that derailed his nomination as secretary of defense in the reagan administration. but one other thing i wanted to
opposition of the surge in iraq, when the party's nominee at the time, john mccain was running a presidential campaign counting the surge under george w. bush. the surge of course the troops going in to iraq, stepping up the troop presence there to try to get iraq under control. you'll remember then senator obama opposed the iraq surge as well. so, the republican party for the most part, many members believe that chuck hagel stepped away from the foreign policy element back then, and was very adamant. he was for the iraq war before he was against it and then was very vocal about being against the surge in iraq and that's really where some of that back and forth started. then you add on top of that some of the statements that he's being criticized for about israel, and iran, and hamas, and you have some growing concerns on the right from the republican party, and senator lindsey graham has articulated those numerous times. jon: the president managed to, well fracture i guess is a good word for it the republican opposition in the house over the fiscal cliff negotiations. he got some republicans
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